O Canada / Featuring Transgender Comedian Tranna Wintour

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Canada, O Canada. We stand on guard for thee. Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of she's not doing swell. Juma Pell. Bobby. Jim is not in the studio today. We just got back late from Montreal last night and we don't have that much time to put on an episode, so it's just gonna be me flying solo this week. So hopefully either you're cheering in your car or you're really upset, but don't, not to worry. We have more episodes coming. The first thing I want to talk about though is Montreal. Canada. What a cool place. The food is spectacular. Like I'm talking, I didn't even have a bad meal. And usually when I go out of town I'm like, Hmm, that was all right by, you know, maybe it wasn't as good as it could have been. Now non Montreal, you can go to the fucking a and w which is a fast food joint. If you folks don't know. I mean I think there's a few in the United States. I'm not really sure. Maybe it's a Northern thing. I don't know. They're not here in Columbus, but even the late night snack at a and w was good. They had poutine on the menu. So I don't know if anybody here knows what poutine is. But if you never been to Canada and Montreal, I don't know if it's a French thing or if it's just a Canadian thing, like a French Canadian thing, but it's called poutine and basically it is potatoes, gravy, um, cheese curds. And then you can have like all these different variations. So I had like a Thai poutine at one point. There's breakfast poutine. I mean, this shit right here is, it's not a joke. It's actually so good. I'm ready to make my own recipe. But let me tell you about the, the land of the free and the home of, uh, strippers that take it all off. Male strippers, I think the females obviously do it too, but Montreal is a fun, fun city. We went to a strip club, my first ever like strip club, male strip club, and it was full frontal and they didn't give a shit. So cheers to you, Canada for not really caring about what others think of you and just doing your thing. It was so much fun. Like it felt a little creepy. I'm not gonna lie like, Oh, sitting there like, Oh yeah, daddy, take it off. But at the same time, like it was a cool experience. So I am not mad. I went to the strip club at all, uh, twice. So as you know, Canada has legalized something that everybody should have legal, that is cannabis and I may or may not have partaken taken tart tooken. Oh gosh, I don't have a gym here to save me right now. I may have partaken in a little bit of experimentation and let me tell you, I had a great time. It's really nice being in a place that nobody really gives a shit what you're doing as long as you're not in their way. That's how I feel about Montreal. Everybody's just kind of on the move. You can smoke marijuana in the streets, not a problem, obviously not in front of like a school or in a restaurant. But if you're walking down the road, you can light up. No joke. And it's nice. It's nice to have freedom to do sort of whatever you want. And by that I mean, I'm not like saying like let's go get heroin needles and shoot him on the side of the road, but like a little bit of marijuana isn't going to hurt anybody. And it's pretty clear in Montreal that it doesn't hurt anybody. So being that it's legal and being that it's, you can do whatever you want in Montreal, I decided what a perfect time to just start doing it. So that's what I did. I went to the dispensary, I got the goods, I came back. We all, we did our afternoon thing, so we go drinking, we have dinner, we go to like a gay bar and call the stud a, it's like a bear bar. So of course me and Michael Schein instead of Jim Michael got his face licked almost. But so after that we were like, let's go back. And I was like, yeah, I want to chill. I just want to like relax. So I pull up my a little libation that I got and went to the front porch and lit it up and you know, just relaxing. So we're sitting there eating sour patch candies, why not? And I'm sitting there and I'm like, yeah, I'm of course I'm the only one smoking. So everyone else was drinking and I'm the one that was like, well, I'll just have like a little bit whatever. Some sitting there and I'm like, Oh, nothing's really happening. Well somebody heard something outside. They're like, Hey, did you hear that? And I'm like, here what? And I start listening and I hear something and I'm going to reenact this reenactment right here. I have an audio that we redid the next day after I decided to have another little special treat on the front porch. So a gym helps me ran an act, the whole situation. And here it is. It's only a minute long. It might be annoying, but I thought it was funny. So hold on, here it is. And then we'll talk about what exactly was happening and now, Oh, reenactment of last night.

What? Oh, okay. And who are you? Thank you for clarifying that. I'm me. And you're you.

Yeah. You know. Wow. Here, what the clock,

what does it sound like? Like, and in the distance?

Yes. Oh yeah. So that was the reenactment of the situation. So like I said, somebody hurts him outside. And I started listening and I was like, I hear something, wait, I hear something. I'm like, it's the clock. And they're like, Bobby, the clock's not making noises. And like, yes it is. It's making noises. And they're like, no, it's not. I'm like, just listen. And nobody would listen in an eye at that point. Start crying, laughing. And I'm in a total fit, just crying, laughing. And I can't figure it out. That's in that moment when it hits you and you're like, why am I doing what I'm doing? But it's so funny, I can't stop doing it. So that was my first experience in Montreal with the legalized situation. So I just thought I'd share that with you guys. I thought it was really funny. Um, continue on the trip. Of course you did sightseeing. I mean, like I said, food was absolutely incredible. Like I did not have one bad meal and, um, you know, it was one of the things where I was like, fuck it. I mean, I'm on vacation, so let's just go ahead and eat, eat everything. And that's what I did. Um, so also there was another thing that I, I wasn't going to talk about, but I decided, you know what, send some openings and some honest on here. I'm going to be, uh, explaining to you guys what a bathhouse is. So if you don't know what a bathhouse is, they have these gay bathhouses, which is basically like, um, an LA fitness. You know, you have your sauna, you have your a hot tub, you have your steam room and there's other areas, but it's a gay bathhouse. So as you know, gay men tend to like to be nude. So you're basically nude and there's other things that can happen in there. But I h ad never been to one and we've been talking and talking and, and you'll hear in the interview with T rina, she's like, w ell go ahead. L ike why wouldn't you go? You're out of town. Like nobody knows you, so why not go? So I'm like, o kay. So at the end of the trip, the last day I'm like, you know what, I'm going t o the bath house. So we leave g em and we go to the b athhouse and not g onna say what happens inside necessarily. Cause I think it's kind of a choose your own adventure situation. I mean they definitely have some, there's like rooms you can get. It's definitely a little s eedy. I'm not gonna lie, but you also c an't go there to relax. And it was really nice with my partner to be able to like k ind o f sit around. You can see a man walking around naked and it's just kind of like a hot, like nice situation and you can decide what you want to do. There's no pressure there. Um, so if you've never been to a bath house, I don't think it should be a shameful thing. I think it's something everybody should try. Um, obviously you need to be safe and you don't just like go in there and just start, you know, you need to just be safe. But it's a very, um, it's different. It's a very interesting situation. And I was gonna to not say anything about it, but then I'm like, you know what? I need to say something because the stigma around it is so negative and really it doesn't have to be, it's like, Oh, you went to the bathhouse, you whore. It's like, yeah, I mean, I went to the bath house, but what'd you do last night? You're on Grindr. I mean, you know what I mean? So it's kinda like, it was kinda just nice. So if you never know a bath house and then you're a gay man, you should go. If you're a straight woman, don't go to that. That's not a place you want to go for your bachelorette party. I can tell you that right now. You will not enjoy it. That's for sure. Okay, so also why we are Montreal. We had the pleasure of meeting an amazing human being, Trena Wintour, and she is a trans woman who is based out of Montreal, who is a standup comedian who was ranked like number one. Uh, if you Google her, you can Google her and find all her stuff and there'll be links in the description of this podcast. But she is incredibly funny, incredibly talented and just, I don't know how to describe it. When you're in the room with her talking, she's so engaged and so smart and articulate at what she wants to say and the point she wants get across that it's almost intimidating. And I can tell you when I was sitting there, it was like, Oh God, you know, ah, this person's on YouTube, this person has a special, you can Google this person and there's millions of pictures. She's, you know, friends with famous people, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you get all worked up and I learned a lesson for myself this week and that was not to worry about what others are and who they are and who they know because I use that against myself like so on the way, like the whole time before the trip. And then as we got to mature on stuff, it started getting more nerve wracking for me and you know, my anxiety kicks in and I start going off on little, like the morning we woke up or the interview and I was like, Oh my God, this is the day. Like today's a day I've been planning for this. Like I want to make a good impression. I want to do, I want to ask the right questions. And you know, nothing's ever perfect and I'll tell you, this interview is really good. There's a lot of good things, but it's funny how much we, so I'll just tell the story about the interview. So we do the interview, everything's great. And we decided to keep talking. I cut the mix because I wasn't sure timeframe wise, but we were already at 45 minutes. So I'm like, I'm going to cut the mix and let's see, you know, like maybe she needs leave. So I cut the mic so, and we just keep talking. She's like, I could talk to you guys forever. And I'm like, wow, that's really awesome. Like I thought for sure, you know, like, cause you want to put pressure on yourself. Right. And I know we talked about perception the week before and this is kind of where I'm getting at. You know, you can see this person on, on social media, you can see somebody you know, out and about on stage, on YouTube. But at the end of the day, we're all just people. And that's what I realized. Like it was very, um, insightful, very educational, just very like a good person. She's just a good person. So we actually ended up going to dinner with her again Friday night. So we met up with her at Indian restaurant. We sat there for four hours talking and I couldn't believe that it was like 12 o'clock. We got there eight 30 and we sat there till almost midnight. And those kinds of people don't, they, you know, they don't come around often. You know what I mean? Like you meet somebody and you're like, Oh, okay, you're fun. And you know, but when you have a conversation with somebody that's so deep and you literally just met them, like you just met this person and they're so, you're so drawn to their energy and you just know like, you know, we're in this moment right now for a reason. And that's how I felt. I know that's really dramatic and I know that's very like, Oh Bobby, like really? But that's how I felt and I think that's how Jim fell and that's how Michael fell when he met her. Just a very good person. And I think she had the same vibes about us. So it was a really good little like match in Montreal. She helped us, like pointed us in the right direction. I had the best French, my toast on my life because of her. Um, so yeah, it was a really great time. And, um, what I want out of this interview, you know, again, we talked for, I mean a total of like seven or eight hours. I wish I could have just had it Mike the whole time and cut in and out on certain questions. But you know, what I really want out of this for our listeners is to hear a story from somebody who is living as their authentic self. And in doing so is very confident and following their dreams and willing to talk. I mean, this is somebody who I literally wrote and said, Hey, you know, people on this Montreal, Reddit, you know, recommended you, these are people out of her own community that said, Hey, if you're going to be on trail and you want it, cause I asked, you know, who should I interview in Montreal that, you know, makes a difference in the community and is an LGBT QIA plus community? Because anywhere we go now, anywhere I travel, I want to try to meet somebody new and just learn something because I think that's really important. And so I wrote her randomly and was like, Hey, you know, uh, I have a podcast. I'm clearly new. I'm only having 12 episode in the 12 episodes in. But I'm like, why? Like why are we so afraid to just ask? So I did and she wrote me back and was like, yeah, this'll be great. And I'm like, this can't be real. Like, I mean, this is, so, this is just the type of person she is and this is the type of people I want to surround myself with because she's positive. She get brings a positive light, but she's confident and knows what exactly what she wants and I can guarantee you we are going to see big things from her. So with all that being said, I just want you guys to listen. I want you to learn and then I'm going to have links in the podcast description so you can find all of her stuff. Um, and yeah, I hope you enjoy this interview with Trina winter in Montreal, Quebec.

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we are here with Tranna Wintour. Hi.

Hi. Thank you so much for coming on our show. First of all, I'm so excited. This is so sweet. And like what a nice set up in your Airbnb. This is like our set up. I like traveling with these mics and the mic stands that like clip onto the tape. Oh yeah. This is a main thing. He was so worried about security. He was like, so I have all these wires and electronics. I was like, tell them he didn't tell them. No. You don't need to tell them no. Only answer what they ask yes or no answers. Don't, don't give any additional information. One word answers. That's it. No, cause they're crazy. Especially going into the States. Yeah. They're going to be coming in late. She was like[inaudible] hello. The guard and an Abbott. She was like, why are you here? I was like, um, the gay village. And I literally said that's was like gay village. I was like eating and drinking. I just want, I said I was so nervous. But I think they know, they know that like when you're nervous, you're harmless. You know? Cause it's only the people who haven't done anything that are terrified. The people who have done all the worst shit, they are not phased at all is so true. Yeah, they don't care. And that's how you have to wait. You have to, but then maybe that, then they're like, you're sweating too much. I don't know how like train these people are like, I'm not really confident that like these like border patrol people are like the sharpest knives in the drone detection schools.

Yeah. They're like, this one looks like a terrorist. Like how do you look? I don't like that. I don't even sound like a terror. I mean, but then some people just like,

I mean I brought so much stuff in my bag like I could sneak in. I feel like anything, it's kinda scary too. At the same time you're like, I hope you do know how to do your job, but like can we move it on day? Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's annoying. So you're, you grew up in Montreal. Were you born here?

I was actually born in Toronto, yeah. And we moved here when I was two years old, so I really don't count Toronto, but I, but I grew up in the suburbs of Montreal so that it doesn't really count as Montreal property. Right. You know what I mean? For us and dies. Well, no, she's all suburbs are the same, you know, pretty much like wherever you go. Like if they sort of target. Yeah. Like I, I don't know, I just find that like that's also kind of like a unifying experience for people who did grow up in the suburbs. Like we all sort of have that in common because I don't feel like the suburb that I grew up in is any different than like, you know, the suburbs of Toronto or the suburbs of whatever city. And unless you're in like a really crazy, like Southern us are pretty, they're fine. Right.

I was raised in the South, I was raised in Atlanta, Georgia. I have heard good things about them. So it's like very of Atlanta. The city's open, but not outside 30 miles outside, outside Atlanta roads. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the, yeah, I would be pretty terrifying. It's scary. I'm like, I've got to go home. I moved up to Ohio. I was like, this is great. And[inaudible] I mean, sorry, I know it's, so you grew up in Montreal? Like what? Um, how's your family life? Like? Do you have like a sister?

I have a sister who was a year and a half younger than me, so we're really close in age and we're really close. She just got married, um, last weekend. Oh yeah, she had a baby, I'm like seven months ago. So I'm an aunt now, which was like a main thing. Um, and we grew up with my mom. My dad wasn't in the picture. He took off, um, when I was two. My sister was a year and a half. I know my sister was, um, no, my sister was six months. Sorry. I was, yeah, I don't know the math. Wow. I was, I was too. And so, yeah, I guess my sister would've been six months. And um, but it's not a salad, it's not a sob story, but I'm, I'm like for me, I'm like grateful for that. Like when I look at a lot of friends and people that I know who grew up with a horrible fathers like in the home so much worse, it's so much worse. And I don't know, I mean people handled it differently for me. I, I didn't feel like I was missing anything. But then I also have these like really deep rooted abandonment issues and it's like that must be somewhat connects. It is what you're, you know, there's always something for everybody. Everybody has their story. Yeah. But I'm like, how'd your I don't, I'm pretty indifferent to it. I mean, my mom really like rise to the occasion. Um, my mom also has like a, like a walking disability and like, so I don't know how she did it. You know, like I really don't know. Two year old running around. Yeah. I don't know how she, I really don't know how she did it. Especially seeing my sister with her kid now and like, I even just like babysat for the first time, like last weekend and like, it's so much work, so much work. I don't, I really don't know how my mom did it honestly. But she did like she, she managed. Um, and I feel like even though like we didn't really have money growing up, like I feel like we always of had everything that we needed and wanted. So that's all that really matters. Yeah, absolutely. If you feel that way, if you have low. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And our grandparents are a big part of our upbringing. So like that was I'm, which I'm also really grateful for, but my mom's so I have an uncle, my mom's brother, he never had any kids. Um, and when I was growing up, I remember because we didn't share our grandparents cause we didn't have any first cousins on my mom's side. And then when I found out that other kids share their grandparents with their cousins, I'm like, what? You share your grandparents? I'm like, that's horrible. I don't like sharing anything. I don't like shit. I don't like sharing people that I love with other people. So like I get very possessive. So I can't imagine like sharing the rap. Yeah. Exact. Just find that special bond with them. And I see it, my other cousins, I'm like, no, no, no. Like that's what I was doing. Writing. Like what? I thought I had sleepovers with grandmas. You do this and special. Great. Yeah. When did you start knowing maybe you were different? I mean, I think, do you worry about like gay or did you like at first I did like when I was a teen, um, which was not all that long ago, but like I sort of like came of age and the will and grace era. Okay. And so was the time, you know, on sitcoms and just general TV media, um, where there wasn't really trans representation, you know, there were, and when there was, it was always sort of mocking and it was always sort of disparaging. Um, and so like, I just didn't have the examples of trans people in my life and therefore I didn't even really have the language to be able to identify myself that way. So just in seeing what I was seeing, I just sort of, you know, understood that like, OK, I have a boy body and I'm attracted to men so I guess I'm gay. So I thought that that was it. You know, so I, there was a time where I was like coming out as gay, but it never felt right. Like it always felt wrong. And even when I was 18 and like started going out and like trying to like date in the gay world and like date gay men who are obviously attracted to men. Like it just, it always felt off. Yeah. And then I actually read share his son's memoir, Chaz Bono's memoir and cause Chaz went through this period in his life where he was identifying as like assists lesbian, right? Yeah. And in the book he describes that experience and how much it never felt right. And then that made me really realize cause I had been doing the same thing I had been like sort of labeling myself or identifying as like a CIS gay man. And it never felt right. And it was really into reading that book that I was like, okay, this is what it is. This is what it's always been. It's so obvious. Like then you start to look back on your life, you, you've looked back at your childhood and it's like, it's so glaringly obvious, but I just didn't have the language. Right. That's what I'm wondering because in the U S I feel like, and we're still even now 2019 in a place where we don't really talk about trans issues as much. We know that it's so much more, but it is like to the point now, and I think the, the proof that it is so much more is that now you have like these like eight, nine, 10 year old kids who are able to identify as trans, right? Like jazz on the TLC show, you know, and like, I think that's so amazing. And obviously there's a part of me that's really MVS, obviously there's a part of me that's like, fuck, why couldn't that have been? We feel that too. Two boys coming out in high school and stuff like eighth grade and we're just like, wow. So you knew you were gay then and you were okay with telling everyone and we wait until[inaudible] who knows? 28 wow. Yeah. I mean I faked it, right. I lived this whole fake second life. Really it's off. I mean that feeling of just, and obviously you can relate to that and that's kinda what I'm trying to get up to. Like I feel like we, that's where we do have a connection with the trans community and the gay. Like you know, everybody was like put our letters together. Right. But that is really like feeling like you aren't, there's something not clicking like it's clicking from maybe somebody else. But my way of dealing was with that was really to sort of become invisible because I was never good at pretending to be something that I wasn't. So like I think just for like making people be able to understand me a bit more, I was like doing the coming out thing even though it didn't and I didn't really do it that much. Like I came out to like three people like that formal coming out like sit down, I have something to tell you like that drama. Oh man, it felt so wrong to me. But you know like since I was like, since I started kindergarten, so like since I entered like the school system and like you know was with other kids, like I remember like almost the very first day of kindergarten there were sixth graders like bullying me and calling me a girl and like it was so instant and I think like all my life it's been so obvious to anyone who's met me that I'm like not your average person, you know? So like even the coming out thing I didn't really ever need to do. And even when I did sort of like come to this like forma understanding of myself as trans, like I didn't do a coming out thing. I'm just like, so what'd you do to just started? Like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm not going to make an announcement. You know? Like, I'll just sort of like, you sort of tell people that like, please call me this name now, please call me Trena my pronouns are she her and hopefully you do that once with people. Um, it's harder with family because, but my family gets it. Like they, they, they know who I am. They, they see it. But because it's been like you 30 years of saying he and using, you know the name that I was given when I was born. Like I understand that it's not like you can't, it's not just a switch that you can because people are just trained verbally to call you a certain thing and like it gets annoying sometimes. But I understand. Okay. Cause that's I'm sure something that people would ask is just, you know, like I feel like that's probably the hardest part for parents is just to the pronouns, retraining their tongues. They really, that's what it comes down to. Who you are born, your gendered. They're like immediate like it's a boy, it's a girl. Yeah. And then it's like, wait a second, did we know that? But more and more parents now, like my sister included are like choosing a much more like gender neutral approach. Like my sister named her daughter Phoenix, but Phoenix is like a very unisex name and it's sort of like so whatever or whoever Phoenix is, it's, you know, it's not, the name will never be a hindrance or like you know, so I think that's really cool and I don't know, I think like, you know like the people who now are like 25 to 35 that are having kids now, I think there's an awareness on their part and I think it's more just like not rigid. The imposing some an identity on your kid from the minute they're born, just based on their genitalia. Like I think a lot of people are starting to understand how wrong that is and how imprisoning that is. It's like just wait a few years and see how your child comes into their own. Right, exactly. Because that's the process for everyone, right? Like and, and it's there and it will be made clear very, pretty early on. Right. And like you said, when you look back, like when I look back on my life, I'm like, Oh, I was gay. I mean I've been gay since I was five, you know what I mean? Like that's when I figured it out in my head. But then, you know, you denied it and then I push it down, push it down. And then when you finally come to that realization, then you review your life. You're like, wait, this is so obvious. Like you said, it's kind of obvious, like so well I wish that like, cause I, I remember there being moments in my childhood where I really did express to my mom that I'm like, I'm a girl, but I don't like, I think even, and it's not like I just don't think my mom had the knowledge either or like the understanding, but I don't, I think she thought I just liked playing, like dress up. And I did, I loved theater. I loved acting. I loved pretending. You know? So I, I don't think she understood that it was serious, but I wish she would have just like brought me to a psychologist who could have like, not to like change me, but just who would have been able to help to understand it and then conveyed to my mom like, your kid is trans. Yeah, exactly. Maybe even the psychologist then didn't worry. Do you know what I mean? So I don't know. I mean it's pointless to wish that things had gone a different way. Like it is what I mean, it's my experience. It is what it is. It can't be changed.

Right. Everybody's experience is different and sort of everybody's story and getting to their point of whoever they are is unique in that. Yeah, exactly. No point in dwelling on it and for no.

exactly. If I had just done that. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I mean I might look back even on this time in my life i n a few years and d o l ike, not even just about identity, but just what y ou're doing. Yeah. Just life stuff in general. A nd I'm like, should I b e, I always feel like, should I be like having more sex with more people? Like Oh, should I be like s liding it up more like while I'm still young w yeah, that's what we keep saying. Cause I even now I look back when I was like 20 and I'm like I should have been like wild. I think that about undergrad we both have or like what if we had just like if we came out in all school right. And did all this dating like all our friends were doing and it is kind of, yeah. But I was 28 and a half and a 15 year old just like not knowing what to do at 28 years old. I was like, Oh, I'm out. No, I can date. And then it was like, Oh this is what's dating and this is awful lady. Fucking kidding me. Yeah, let's just skip it. So are you single now? Yeah, I've been, I mean I've, I'm like, I'm trying to like, find a new word for it cause I think we've gone beyond single at this point. Like it's something more you to come up with that word. It's been so long I've been calling it post single. Okay. I am, it's evolved into something much like, and I don't really, I mean I'm starting to figure out why, but I also think like does there have to be a why? Like I don't think that it's going to be everyone's experience that like you're in a relationship, you know? And maybe this is just how I'm wired, you know? Like I'm too self-protective, I'm too guarded and maybe, and I am learning to like take down some of those walls and, and be more vulnerable. I feel like I can be vulnerable in friendships very easily. Um, but not like not in a romantic, how do you go about that? Like I'm imagining being trans and dating. Do you have to like just, that's pretty vulnerable to have to do. You have to announce right away like, Hey, you know, I am a trans woman. Right. Do you have to tell them that early? Do you wait, do you well, I mean some, like a lot of the time safety comes into play. You know what I mean? Because I think the thing that's hard about like being a trans woman who's attracted to men, unfortunately, um, is that like, you know, gay men are attracted to men, right? Um, and the people who are attracted to trans women are straight men. Right? But they have so many hangups and like, trust me, I've done the legwork. Like I am not technically a sociologist, but I would estimate that like, I mean, like 95% of straight men are at least sexually attracted to trans women. And I think emotionally too, but they, but then they put up this wall and they put up this barrier because it's just, it's gay panic. Like, Oh, I'm not, no, no, wait, no, it's in their mind they've been trained also to think about genders so rigidly as being like genitalia. So like, you know, for them it's like Dick equals gay, but it doesn't. And so it's challenging. It's really challenging. And it's not hard to find men to sleep with, but it's hard to find straight men that see you as like a human being. Right. Um, which is kind of insane. That's a straight woman. Is that the proper, like yes. But I also like have like all of Barbara Streisand's records on vinyl, like all of her albums that I feel like that you can't be straight and have all of Barbara Streisand's albums, you know? Cause for me, I think like, I think like gay is so much more than just like for me it's a culture of, yeah. You know? Um, so it feels weird to like describe myself as straight, but yeah, I guess technically on paper, right. That's what it would be. I always wondered that cause I'm, yeah. And then I also think also like, I'm just like, like I think all of these labels become so irrelevant at the end of the day. There's so like, I mean, nothing boils down that yeah. Walls up. Exactly. We don't need that. Yeah. And I think what I find so shocking sometimes is that like, people let's say, you know, find themselves attracted to someone that they're not normally attracted to. Like whether that's gender or, or otherwise, just someone who is not who they have in mind. And rather than go for that experience and and have that they'd rather stick to this like definition of their own sexuality that they're have that they have in their mind instead of just going for the moment that's presenting itself. And that's like insane to me. Well, you know, I always think that when I hear what's your type and I'm like hate that question type and it's just like, you know, like big muscular no here no fast enough. Yeah. And it's just like, wait a second, do I have to have a type or can I just be attracted to the person? Like I'm not, I don't get out of answer that we don't have the conversation like you're having right now. Like hearing it out of your voice and hearing you'd say it makes sense. You know what I mean? Like I don't think a lot of people know they're not having, I don't have a straight, men don't talk, they don't about real things with each other. It's so rare. It's so fucking weird. And honestly, whenever I meet straight men, like my favorite question to ask them is, what do you talk about with your friends? What do you talk about football? You know, every, every straight man thinks they're the only one who's attracted to trans women, which is so funny because they don't, they're denying having these conversations. And I'm like, all your friends are watching trans porn. All your friends and your dad and your uncles, they're all watching trout. They're all right now together in a circle. So sorry. Wow. Wow. Just for usual. But I'm serious like that and like, and, and that translates to, you know, other issues like, you know, just like when it comes to like the me too movement and like, because obviously there are good men out there and it's like, it's their responsibility to be having these conversations with their dumb friends. Right. Because they're just not talking about anything. That is true. I mean, this is like eye opening for me. Even to, I mean, it's, I mean, what do you think about the whole P and G? What is a P and G taken off the female[inaudible] gamble? No. What's, there's all these hanging up. It's over a symbol. I think like some of the female female products they put the female[inaudible] so like the gross or cause the pharmacy knows where the product is. What aisle took it off because there's trans men who still, yes. Okay. Cause I saw some females today. Men have vaginas too. Exactly. And men have periods to, exactly. I saw some tweets that were saying that today, so I must've been related to that. Sorry that's a hot topic. Yeah. I was noticing like there was a lot of commentary. It's very split though. Like more split than you would think. Like some people were like Oh this is just getting ridiculous, dah dah dah. But some people don't but they don't have that conversation. I know also like that idea of like Oh this is so ridiculous. But like does it, the people saying that it's like does this affect you in any way? No it doesn't. So shut the fuck up. I'm still amazed that people who waste so much time on things that have no effect on them. The only things that I am concerned with are the people who affect me or the things that affect me and the things that affect the people that I care about. You know, these straight men who are up in arms have never been mis-gendered ever, ever, ever. And they're like, I can't believe I have to ask pronouns now. Like what is happening these days? It's like what? Wait, I'm sorry, I'm just so fucking lazy. Yeah. It breaks down to, you know, a boy or a girl like, Oh there's so they get so angry. I get angry at being gay. I get angry at like shirts. Like my sister would probably never do this, but like ladies man or like, yeah, I know flirting. Yeah. I hate that too. I too, I hate that shit too. Okay. And maybe he just, cause it brings me back to that point of like, Oh here I gotta I got fake out. Yeah. I am a ladies man. Like no, even the way I saw someone wrote something, I dunno why I let go. That was really interesting to me about the way that like, you know, when like a little boy and a little girl are friends and their parents are automatically like kiss or like you're going to get married one day and like, Oh my God, like God dang it. It really is. And I guess I never thought about it because especially when I was a kid, like that was so common, you know? But I remember being a kid in that like making me so uncomfortable. Like even when I remember even just being like four or five and like hated Dean called like handsome. Like that word would make my skin crawl, like all those little, all those little gendering thing. We're all now labeling, labeling, but we don't want it. I dunno. I dunno. I just[inaudible] it's a lot. It's a lot of information that I'm just like, it's crazy. So what I was going to ask in air quotes, what do you do here? Because our listeners are like, okay, who are you talking to? Okay, that's a fair question. I hate it when, um, like people I'm flirting with ask me that because I'm scared they're going to look me up and like they can track me down so easily. Um, so I mean like I am a comedian, writer, singer, performer. Um, yeah, just like all around entertainer. That's awesome. Yeah. It's hard to like, it's, it's hard to pinpoint cause I, but um, but I am doing this like full time, like I left my day job three years ago, a little more than three years ago. So like I am like living that life, you know? Um, and yeah. What's the moment like when you're like, Hmm, I'm going to try to stand up. Yeah. Like how do you get into comedy? Cause I'm terrified of even thinking of, right. And then stage, here's a mic, go. Everyone's be honest. Like I wouldn't do it if it did, if I didn't have that calling to it, you know? Because even when I was a kid, like I loved public speaking. Like I love, Oh wow. Searing presentations in class. Like why, yeah. Like, I would get nervous of course. And I still do, but it's an excited nervous. It's like I, cause I want to do well in our pants, but like if I didn't have that, I wouldn't do it. Right. Which is what surprises me when I see people who are like legitimately terrified and they're like doing it. I'm like, why are you, and you're putting yourself the rush life is too short to like, I know people are always like, do the things you're scared of. But I'm like, maybe not. This is as far as I'm getting into podcasts, I can read it. But I never was a standup comedy fan. Like a lot of comedians, like they'd grow up like watching comedy and like that, you know, is their inspiration. But I was always just more drawn to the performing arts in a more general way. Like, okay. Especially like music, like, you know, pop stars and singers. Like that was always what I was really drawn to. Um, and until very recently, like I didn't know that I could do that cause I don't play any instruments and, and um, so that dream I sort of let go of. Um, but I think that like performer energy was always there, you know, like, and it was just a question of, and like, honestly, like, you know, like coming out as a trans person and understanding myself in that way, that gave me the confidence to then finally do the work that I know I was always meant to do. Yeah. But I could never have done it. Had I not come to that self understanding first. Like it never would have happened, honestly. Never. Like I never would have had, I never would have come to the confidence that I needed. Right. Um, if I didn't come to an understanding of myself first, and those two things kind of like happened, like basically at the same time. Um, and then it all made sense. And you know, like as much as I said, like looking back on my life, like there was that like, Oh my God, it was so obvious about being trans, but it was also so obvious about being a performer. Like that was always there too. Like that was always such an innate part of who I am. Um, so for me it was more, the hurdle was more just finding the confidence and yeah. And that stuff, understanding that would finally allow me to do that, you know? And I also have those regrets too about like, I wish I had started performing when I was 18. Right. But there's just no way that I could have. Yeah. There's just no way. Yeah. So it felt really natural. And, um, I, I discovered, um, Sandra Bernhard, I don't know if you know her, she's an American comedian. You, you would recognize her if you saw her. She used to be on Roseanne. Um, she has red hair. Oh, okay. Yep. Yeah. So I love her and like, because what she does on stage is like this mix of like comedy and music and you know, acting and just performance like this like three 60 experience, you know? And that's when I was like, that's what I meant to do. Like as soon as I saw that, even before doing it, I just knew. And even before doing my first open mic, I was like, I knew even though I had never done it, I'm like, I know this is it for me. Like I know it's such a great moment. Yeah. And it went really well and I mean I think it went well because again, like I was meant to do that. Right. You know, where do you do shows around, Oh, sorry sir. Sorry. Excuse me. Oh, skew first. Everywhere. I just go around, but now I do like, I'm doing more like self-produced stuff. So like I still do like comedy sets at like comedy clubs. That's like part of a lineup. But I feel like that's less and less. I'm more like, like your comedy specialists came out and it was on YouTube ads on YouTube. We watched it, we were like, Oh wow, we loved him. Oh my God, thank you so much for watching. We're like, wow, she's really talented. Like I'm scared. Oh my God. Thank you. And yeah, I mean, not to like Pat myself on the boat, but that was filmed like three years ago. Oh. So why it's not like even close to what I am capable of doing right now, you know? Yes. Three years ago, yeah, we watched, we were like, we were just sitting there. I want to talk, love it though. Like I'm still proud of. Yeah. I'm like, but I'm like the mix when we put it out, like, cause again, I mean I won't get into it. It's pointless, but like, it was something that was meant to come out a lot earlier, you know? Right. And then when, you know, all this time passed and like after all the complications, um, and just like, you know, whatever, I was just like, yeah, let's still put it out there. Right. I'm like, why not? You know, like it's, I don't feel like it fully reflects like my ability. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just even just like, just my, like presence on stage and uh, my command of the stage, like, which I think was still good then like has gotten even better, you know. Um, so you do the comedy. When did you meet his, I think his name or your chosen family? Yeah, Thomas Thomas. My cohost, co-producer. Collaborator. I really liked that story. I don't know how you guys met, but I heard that you guys like went to sleep. Deon cause you hate Celine Dion. I hate, he loves saline. He loves Celine. I hate saline, although like as we go further into the Sliter madness, I kind of let her, he kind of hates her. So it's just weird. It's like constantly unfolding. Um, but basically the story is, um, he came to see one of my shows like did not know who I was. I didn't know who he was and he really liked it. And it was a point in his life where he was sort of starting to think about doing standup himself. And then we sort of cite each other again at this Christmas party. And from there, like we became like, you know, social media friends, right. And every time he would post something about saline, I would, you know, leave a comment and it would start this like little debate or fight, but in good fun, you know. And then when Celine's husband passed away, like in Montreal and in Quebec, it was like a really big deal. Um, and they gave him, I forget what it's called, but like they gave him like the type of funeral that's like reserved for like politicians or like whatever. I don't know who he paid to make it, someone was paid. Um, but they made such a big deal about it. And there's the cathedral in the old port. I don't know if you guys have been there yet. Um, but you should go. And that's the, our biggest cathedral. And that's where saline got married and that's where they had the funeral. And the night or the day before the funeral, like all the press outlets were set up around the church and there was like a wake, a public wake. And I did not know this, but saline like was there. And she got there in the like early afternoon, she stayed till like 10 o'clock at night greeting random strangers off the street one by one. So there's this giant line outside of the church and just people and random[inaudible] just going in and like shaking her hand and offering their condolence. Like as if you went to[inaudible] and they were live streaming it. And I use Montreal. I used to work like my building was is right and next to that cathedrals. So when I saw all the media set up I was like, okay, this is going to be a circus. And then later on when I got home, like I sort of checked in and that's when I saw that they were live streaming and that's when I saw the saline was actually their saline. So I messaged Thomas and I'm like, we need to go like this is insane, right? Because celebrities don't even want to be bothered when they're at Starbucks getting a coffee. And like now in the like most private sad moment, she's like opening this agreed public. Some people were asking for autographs and like she would sign like, Oh my God, her husbands. I mean, I think that's extremely in, why would people like, how tone deaf can people be[inaudible] I know. I always, I always forget, I always like, I still have this idea in my mind that people are decent and have some kind of common sense, but no, I know that they're, yeah. So we went, but we got there too late. Um, so they had like cut off the line. Yeah. But that's when we went, we went to Starbucks nearby and we started planning this show about Celine called st saline. That just like snowballed and like, it was really the start of our like working relationship and friendship. And so then how did chosen family roll out of that? Like did, were you asked to do it or was that it was just, it kind of came about very naturally. Um, most comedians have a podcast. Everybody is having a pod. Yeah. So, and I think that like, I dunno, like in planning our live shows, there was just so many great conversations being had and we were like, you know, like everyone, everyone thinks their conversations are like very, yeah, no, you guys aren't you listening later? It's like, Oh God. Um, so yeah, it was just a sort of natural extension of what we were doing. Yeah. I really loved your last episode on that with Xavier. Oh, thank you so much for listening. Wow. I know[inaudible] sent it to me and I don't think he's seen his movies. No, I haven't. And I'm saying more like, have you seen his movies? Yeah. Like there going to me, cause I feel like he's not very well known in the U S I mean, he's not, he's foreign DVD section. Right? Like I'm one of the library and the library. Right? Yeah. You don't see them in the theaters. You don't see them. Right. Well, even in the red box, but what he's really famous actually around is in Quebec and France. Yeah. And even in the rest of Canada, like he's less known, which was kind of crazy. Um, but Quebec is known, you know, as being like sort of the cultural heartbeat of the country, like the best Canadian films are made in Quebec. Um, like there's, I'm sure you might know the directors, y'all math valet who did big little lies. Um, he directed wild. He's kept the Kuala. Um, and he had this amazing movie that came out like I guess it must be almost 10 years now called crazy, which became like one of the biggest Quebec films ever and it was so brilliant. So like there is a lot of exceptional talent that comes out of Quebec for sure. And Xavi eventually will surely direct like a major HBO mini series. Like it's just a question just listening to him though. He's very, I mean he's a very interesting person with a lot of layers. Yes. I mean the question, the answers he was giving you, I mean it was unbelievable. We were the last one, the last one was so deep, like VR, like you don't hear people who, especially now ago, especially not him, right? Like, I mean he has 675,000 followers. Not that I checked or anything, but he did. I did. And I was like, wow, he's really actually well known and he's so well spoken and just, I love his intensity. Yeah. Like tell me what you're really thinking. Tell me what. Yeah, exactly. And I didn't know. I think also like the way that he's perceived by English speaking people and French speaking people is very different. Yeah. So I think like, you know, on the English side he comes off as being sort of arrogant and pretentious and like, I mean, part of that's accurate. Right. You know, but I love, I don't think those are negative things inherently. Um, so, but I just didn't know, but I feel like he's always been someone that has just provoked so many like yeah. Feelings for me, like love and sometimes, Hey, you know, like now it's like just pure love. I'm like in love. Yeah. Cause after that conversation, Oh my God, that single thing is going to be done for students. No single no more. Okay. Well in wrapping up, we want to talk about Montreal. Yeah, we do have, we have questions about one. Yeah, please. We love it. Do you want to ask your question? Well, should I ask your question? I just ask the questions because this is what Bobby was thinking. So we arrived yesterday. We're like, we've got to be cute. We have to wear like a plaid shirts, sweaters, boots, all these things. We were surprised. It's kind of grungy here. It's very, we're seeing lots of dark colors. Taj were like a beautiful bright sweater, but just rare from[inaudible] the first day I've ever worn it. Bobby's like size seem like black shoes, black pants.[inaudible] cute little maroon like, and I don't even like tee shirt, like black tee shirt. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm gonna step it up. We're going to Montreal. Like I got to like zip it up and then I'm like, wait, wait, what's a mix? I'm like, Montreal has like, like so many different neighborhoods. And I think that the style is different. It varies from neighborhood to neighborhood. So, like right now we're in the gay village. So the gay village is like a mix of like wealthy, um, you know, white gay men, um, who have sort of like really gentrified the area. Like I just got like kicked out of my apartment like of like, yeah. Well I mean not really kicked out, but trays around probably, well they wanted to kick everyone out so they could renovate and then re re rented for more money. Um, and Quebec has a lot of laws against that, but it's still complicated. And also my building was falling apart so it wasn't worth fighting before. But I mean, but this is something that's happening, especially in this neighborhood a lot. But this neighborhood is also like a very like, junky neighborhood. There's a lot of like, like down and out people in this neighborhood. Oh yeah. Cause like this is where I used to raise my hood. This is where I used to live, right. Until like literally two weeks ago. Um, Oh man. So, so like, yeah, I think like this area can be sort of more on the somber side stylize. Yeah. Because it's like sort of like, again, it's like sort of like down and out or like rich gay man who just is like all in black or all Navy or whatever, you know, like every, but then when you go to like, um, like there's a neighborhood called the mile end, um, which is like sort of, I mean it's, it's also become very gentrified. Um, but it's a neighborhood that's a bit more like style forward. Like you'll see people that have like unique style there, you know, like street style wise, you won't, it's not as uniform as maybe what you've been seeing. Okay. Yeah, we're about to do all right. But it's also fall, you know, so it's like, you know, the colors. Yeah. Especially today is like quite gray, but Montreal is like, it's, um, I think it's a city where people like do care about how they look. Right? Oh yeah, no. Yeah, it's not, yeah. It wasn't like they weren't trying, it's like they were trying to be grungy in your like, right. Like it's just not what I expected. Honestly. I thought I was going to be like underdressed to be honest. Like I obviously I have no idea cause we just randomly pick them up.[inaudible] yeah. Well it's certain places like in the old port for example, um, like, which is a beautiful, like, especially for the first time that you come to Montreal, like you have to see it like it's so pretty. But like in terms of like the pulse that's in that area, it's like it's all super rich people. Right. But like awful rich people, you know, they have these clubs in the old port where like the bouncers are wearing tuxedos by, it's so fucking gross yet, you know? And it's just like why he's going? Yeah. Like I'm guessing it's like, I don't know, like I'm not going, I, you know what I mean? So like every neighborhood is quite different. That's interesting. That's interesting. Well cool. Do you have any more questions about Montreal? Cause I mean we're here. What's one thing that we can do that something, what's one thing we can do that maybe we're just not on Google? Like, what, what can we do here that's like, you'd be like, you need to do this, but we're not gonna find that on Google. Oh my God, that's such a good question to really find anything on Google. I mean it's like things to do right angles, Google's my on, but like what kinds of things like, I don't know, ready to go to like night life related. Yeah, sure. Um, I don't know what's specifically going on tonight, but, um, in general, um, there are, I think there might be one, there is a DJ slash musician in Montreal named awful, and they put on like the best like underground pop parties on underground. Um, Thomas actually also like does a few like DJs, a few like really fun, like pop night. Oh, cool. Um, so we'll chat. I'll check for you, but those would not be on Google. Okay. Um, and I'll check for you to see, cause we're gonna keep it boring and then, yeah. But I feel like in general, you know, it's like when you're exploring a city, it's like, it's just about walking around and just like, you know, tucking into a little restaurant, grabbing a little, you know, baked good. Like I don't buy buy, I'm also not like an ex, like I can't do anything like that crate. Oh I know. So, but I know that there is like dark shit going on in the city, you know what I mean? Like there must be the most, yeah, in this neighborhood for sure. Like what is this sauna thing and Oh, rent a room for a few days there. Like gay bathhouses. Yeah. Multiple. Oh yeah, they're, there's so many. That one strip club. Yes too. Yeah. I don't, I can't help you there. I've ever been, but I've always asked people like, I still don't have a clear right. I want to see one more that I can see behind the scenes and then be like, that's something for me. Or they're kind of like a small[inaudible] where like people just like are naked and like hung out. Like it's kind of what it is. Look it sounds hot, but it also sounds like I might, anxiety would be through the roof. Yeah, definitely. But not be my thing. I know neither are, but it's like no judgment. Like I'm sure if it's your thing it must be really fun. Right. It's going to be amazing that you know, must be, because there's several of them. So yeah, it was a little common, but there also must be like their money laundering. Like also what I mean like come on like there's no reason that there's are six and like in a row much on Mackey, you know like the demand is not, that'd be the high, we don't see people coming in and out of the doors. Like no rare. I don't think I ever see, I keep watching. I don't want to be like that guy. I'm like people are going in there. I just want to know what I mean if you are like, but maybe you should just go. I told, we were thinking because like the more you're describing and now it's like you don't live here, you have nothing to lose. I know. Well that's what we're saying. That's going to happen and you're together so you can just go and see what it is and leave. We should bring our audio and they'll be like, can we be recording that episode in the spot where you get arrested? They're like Amanda now, but I mean if you're looking for that like experience is probably gonna make your like heart pound and like be nervous. That's probably it. Yeah, I know. That would actually be a good little exercise for me dealing with my anxiety. Yeah. I'll send you into a bathhouse and check on you in 30 minutes and things are in the air. I'm like, what is going on? And you don't come out until Monday. I knock on the door. You've rented. Um, well I appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much for being open, honest, and reaching out to you. Like, I mean it was really random. I found you on like Reddit. I went to the Montreal, read it and I said, Hey, you know, is there any who's impacting the community in Montreal? And they said to you, I was like, yeah, I know it's awesome. And I was like a whole country away and that's how it all starter on. Yeah. Oh my God, that is so cool.[inaudible] on Reddit are saying stuff about you, so that's all good stuff. Okay. Very good stuff. So, wow. So much. Like I really do appreciate it. It's like, it's my pleasure. It's been so much fun. I can talk to you guys for another three songs and where can we find the work online? So YouTube, YouTube instant. I feel like your Instagram it. Yeah, I'm like, I mean, Facebook's kind of override. It is. It's once the grandma's joined. Yeah. Yeah. Everything is on. I'll link everything to as far as like chosen family and all that. So we'll just like have a big link, so. Sure. Amazing. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming by. You're so awesome. And that was the interview with Tranna Wintour. Hope you guys really enjoyed it. I think it's, you know, I enjoyed it personally. I thought it was a really amazing experience. I, you know, like I said, I was really nervous at first, but, um, after you sit down with her for five minutes, it's like you've known her your whole life. And at least that was for us. I'm not saying that it would happen for, you know, obviously this was a really good first like kind of outside of our box interview because we've had people that we kind of know come in. And so this was a very, you know, this was like a kind of a big deal, like big thing and I think it went well and I think that, you know, we created a friend while we were there and I'm really happy to call her a friend. Um, all her information will be at the bottom of this show, uh, on the show notes so you can find her. I'll link her. I've already tagged her on Instagram a couple of times, but I just, again, just wanted to thank her for being just awesome. Um, I have a few housekeeping things I need to talk about. Uh, the first thing is, um, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. 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So if you are interested in that, please DM us on Instagram and it can be your friend, like find your hottest friend and let's do this. Let's do a real contest. Um, and, and it's going to be the winter. We'll have to, um, you know, follow our page obviously and follow me underwear and, um, you know, we'll figure all the logistics, but if you're interested in, um, I'll have more details on that next episode. Also, you heard a song going into the interview, uh, if you know anybody who was a magician, mew Zishan, I don't care what genre, I don't care if they sing solo. I don't care if they do karaoke. I don't care what they do. It could be the softest shit. It can be hardcore rock. I don't care. Uh, what I'd like to do is start promoting people, uh, people's music on our show. So before an interview or for like a segment, we'll play 32nd clip of your band, your vocals, your whatever. That personally was mine. Um, just a song that I made throughout the years. Actually, I made it a couple months ago, but I haven't made music in a while. But that isn't one of my little secret hobbies. A not so secret to somebody who, um, but yeah, so if you know, musician, if you knew a musician who wants to get their underwear, that's like a double plus and I'll send you a free swag for that. Um, uh, yeah. So anyway, join all of our stuff. Follow us, spread the word. It's only gonna get better. We're, we're learning, we're on a process here. Um, I think I'm going to have an episode about death coming up, which a lot of people gonna be like, Oh fuck. But it's something I need to tackle because I am so freaked out about death that it's like a constant thought in my head. And a lot of people don't understand that and sometimes I don't understand it. So I want to try to find somebody who, uh, is close to death. And by that I mean not physically and not really, well I guess we're all close to death at the end of the day, but I'm somebody who like someone who works in a morgue or like I, I wrote a psychologist today who specifically deals with like death anxiety and seeing if they'll come talk to us and just kind of let me ask my questions. And so we'll get more details, details about that if you'd like to be a guest, please message us. Um, but yeah, so this has been another episode of she's not doing so, um, Bobby, I'm not, I'm, it's so weird going solo. I feel like I can't breathe because you have to do all the talking, but I'm trying to pause. I'm trying to be like professional voice and really projecting myself. So anyway, thank you for listening to another episode. Really appreciate all the support. Thanks again to Tranna Winyour and we will see you on the flip side. Bye. Thank you for listening to another episode of she's not doing so well. 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